The following excerpts from a paper written about measles in the Faroe Islands in 1846. These facts certainly seem to substantiate the idea that measles is infectious and provides lifelong immunity. Is there another perspective? What does everyone think?
“Measles had not prevailed on the Faroes since 1781 then it broke out early in April 1846.
Of the 7782 inhabitants, about 6000 were taken with measles in the course of about half a year...
...it was precisely sixty-five years ago that measles had last prevailed on the Faroes, and those who had recovered from the disease at that time were now spared
Of course, measles is not wont under ordinary conditions to menace any but children, but on the Faroes it evidently attacked almost the entire population without respect to age;
These facts might suggest that the contagion of measles produces no visible effect for quite a long time, usually ten to twelve days, after its reception into the organism, since the catarrhal prodromal stage began just after this lapse of time, and the exanthem first appeared on the fourteenth day after the reception of the infective matter.
If it is now regarded as a rule that the contagion of measles requires between thirteen and fourteen days after its reception into the organism to develop the exanthem, and, as numerous experiences like those which established this rule show, that there are usually thirteen or fourteen days between the time at which the exanthem appears on the patient and that at which it breaks out on his infected associates...
In this connection it is quite remarkable, however, that of the many aged people still living on the Faroes who had had measles in 1781, not one, as far as I could find out by careful inquiry, was attacked the second time. I myself saw ninety-eight such old people, who were exempt because they had had the disease iii their youth. This was the more noteworthy in that a high age by no means lessened the susceptibility to measles, since, as far as I know, all the old people who had not gone through with measles in earlier life were attacked when they were exposed to infection; whereas certain young persons, although constantly exposed, were exempt. If recovery from measles sixty-five years before could insure people against taking the disease a second time...
The fact was that three weeks before Whitsuntide the provincial surgeon was summoned to Kvalvig, where a severe epidemic of krujm was prevailing, and he had to spend the night in the village. In the house in which the surgeon had slept, measles broke out exactly fourteen days after his arrival. These examples, which seem to prove that the contagion of measles may be carried about in clothing worn by persons who are not themselves susceptible to infection, apparently give evidence of an intensity of contagiousness which hardly otherwise would have been attributed to measles.
Experience in regard to the fact that measles is not miasmatic but purely contagious in character has been so dearly bought on the Faroe Islands that the people there will probably agree with us hereafter that it is correct, at least in practice, to consider measles as a contagious and not as a miasmatic nor miasmatic-contagious disease.”
[Peter Ludwig Panum, Observations Made During The Epidemic Of Measles On The Faroe Islands In The Year 1846]
I consider all my childhood illnesses (mumps, chicken pox, measles, German measles, etc.) to have been a protective guarantee for my excellent health today.
What was brought onto the island on the same ship the doctor arrived on? Perhaps a perishable food that contained a toxin that was widely distributed & quicky consumed?
The symptoms of measles are identical to more than 10 other medical conditions. Without a specific test for measles in 1846, and without ruling out other possible causes of a one & done outbreak of a fever & rash, it cannot even be confirmed that it was actually a measles epidemic.
Amish communities are akin to islands. They do not vaccinate, and have no cases of SIDS, SADS, autism, palsy or other vaccine induced illnesses & injuries. An epidemiological study of childhood illnesses amongst the Amish would reveal a lot.
Governments pushed Covid vaccines on entire populations to eliminate control groups of unvaxed, and failed. The unvaxed are not dying suddenly, not getting turbo cancer, not experiencing clotting and related ischemia/reperfusion injuries. There are pediatricians who refused to vaccinate thousands of their patients and those children are much healthier than vaccinated children who experienced all childhood illnesses including measles. Deaths from measles were down 95% right before the measles vaccine was developed & widely distributed. Why? The general health of children had improved due to improved nutrition, modern sanitation, and food preservation including refrigeration. Thus, measles itself is not a dangerous, deadly childhood illness but the goo in measles vaccines that includes foreign DNA, proteins & toxic adjuvants such as mercury & aluminum and squalene, is unnecessary, and more harmful & dangerous than measles.
Contagion implies transmission of a disease from one person to another. It can be confused with mass exposure to a pathogenic agent such as pesticide spraying, radiation or electromagnetic frequencies (EMF). The fact that no scientific study has ever been able to transmit a disease from a sick person to a healthy person, no matter how much they are swabbed or sprayed with that person's bodily fluids, suggests that contagion does not involve the traditional concept of "germs". However, it does not exclude the possibility of some type of EMF emission by individuals, as experienced by those who developed "shedding phenomenon" in the company of people who had recently received the Covid-19 vaccine. The EMF in question is thought to be due to the graphene oxide (GO) content of the active "vaccine". GO is a superconductor of EMF energy. Many of us have read about this EMF being so strong that even deceased persons below the ground can emit it powerfully enough to trigger nearby persons' mobile phones.
I no longer believe in the existence of viruses, but an incident in my home needs explanation. I adopted a previously healthy cat and her two four-week-old kittens. After a week the mother cat developed flu, and within a few days one of the kittens also had it. The other kitten remained healthy.
I also had another, older cat (Caspar), who had never suffered from any illness. I kept him separate from the new cats, but one day he came into the kitchen within a few feet of the mother cat, just for a few minutes.
Within a few days, Caspar also got the flu.
Needless to say, some kind of contagion was going on. I don't know what it was, but I do know that I was kept very busy nursing three sick animals!
People tend to believe in only one theory or another, but the truth is often a combination of things. Germ theory, terrain theory and the poison theory do not exclude one another. They are complementary.
The human body is like an ecosystem. It has living human cells and a microbiome with gut bacteria and other micro organism that can be found throughout the body. A biological ecosystem has many species living together, competing or in symbiosis. A healthy ecosystem, body or 'terrain' like for example a pristine tropical rain forest is in balance and resistant to pests. It prevents one species to grow out of control. But this balance can be compromised by external factors like
- Toxins that kill or maim important species the ecosystem/terrain/body depends on, or damage important structures.
- A change in resources the terrain needs to stay healthy. (in case of our body, bad food)
- Exotic invasive species that the terrain has never seen before and has no defense against. Like the measles or man-made covid-19. Only when the new exotic species can thrive in its new terrain, then there may be a dis-ease, a disequilibrium for a while. But once the terrain has adapted and found its new equilibrium, the disease does not return. Unless of course, evil scientists create and spread a new nasty variant that is sufficiently foreign and the process repeats.
Measles isn’t a well defined clinical entity separate to all other types of rash. It is possible that the residents were all detoxifying from something that certain elderly persons had previously been exposed to and thus their bodies knew how to deal with the toxin before it reached a critical point where rash and fever were required to purge the toxin from the body. Just because contagion hasn’t been scientifically proven doesn’t mean that the body doesn’t learn from previous exposures to toxins. It is also possible that this historical account was written with a bias favouring the myth of contagion and what actually happened differs from the account provided.
Measles does not exist, just have a look at the last person in virology doing a properly controlled experiment: John Enders in 1954, see https://sci-hub.wf/10.2105/ajph.47.3.275.
Fishing has been the main source of income for the Faroe Islands since the late 19th century, but dependence on fishing makes the economy vulnerable to price fluctuations
A population seemingly given to frequent skin irritations (salt exposure?) and lung inflammations coinciding with extended severe heat from which the author stated they nearly expired. Chronic health issues being the apparent norm, it's difficult to draw conclusions.
When I worked as admin in a hospital, in my 50's, I'd reason to go see the nurse for bloods, just general stuff. Even though I'd had measles as a kid, she said I'd no immunity and then stuck a needle (MMR?) in me. At that time and until recent times, I had no reason not to trust in public health policies. Now, from what I've read since, no antibodies show up with job titles, "Against Measles, "Against Polio" etc. They all turn up against aluminium, mercury, formaldehyde, etc. One of 3 children, 5 yrs age difference, we didn't all have same illnesses at the same time.
Based on my experience as a child getting measles myself around 1960 and experiencing the fact that my 3 siblings got it around the same time, and that most of the kids we went to church and school with also got it around the same time (and recovered without incident just like we did, with mom's care), and then two years later another outbreak happened at our school but we didn't have to worry, I am firmly of the evidence-based opinion that measles is contagious and recovery confers lifetime immunity. I just wish I had never gotten my own children vaccinated and I wish I had never gotten boosters and flu shots. Too soon old, too late smart.
Viruses such as measles don't exist, and contagion is a myth. You're right to say it's your opinion, cause that's all it is: an opinion. There has never been proof for any contagious pathogen.
It seems to me that all of the purging “diseases” that we go through as children are meant to help the body kill off unwanted cells by the fevers naturally involved. I know I didn’t say that right but you know what I mean. We grow so fast during those years and it would make sense that there would be increased numbers of damaged or defective cells, which would make extra fevers advantageous.
And I do believe that the more fevers you had as a child-productive, natural fevers; not those induced by chemical poisons (vx)-the lower your chance of adult cancer.
That didn’t answer your question. I believe that our bodies send messages. We give off exosomes maybe, something, that comunícate with other bodies. Is that contagion? Possibly. Whether it’s sharing of messages through exhalation of exosomes or through the microbiome in the gut/skin system or whatever, I think that could act like what the germ people consider contagion
If you read... A) It seems to spread over the area with a 10-day delay in "exposure." B) It seems that those who had previously had measles decades earlier did not get the disease.
I'm not saying what this was, but it's definitely an interesting case that I think isn't easy to solve.
I believe it is also the case that the incidence of measles declined significantly contemporaneously with the vaccine rollout (I know that the fatality reate of measles was already minimal - but that is a different thing than the incidence). That is also a datapoint for which the possible existence of a contagious disease vector remains a tempting explanation.
However a great many experiments which should have succeeded if contagious disease vectors were a good explanation for measles and other "viral" diseases did not succeed.
I think the correct way of thinking about this is that
(a) contagious disease vectors is a valid hypothesis in the first place precisely because it does seem to explain the known facts well.
(b) it is also important to bear in mind that scurvy and (I think?) pellagra were also considered contagious diseases at one time because that appeared to offer a good explanation for the behavior of those diseases too.
(c) following the postulation of a hypothesis, we perform experiments to confirm or falsify the hypothesis
(d) In the case of viruses in general, and measles in particular, actual experiments so far have not confirmed the hypothesis.
Therefore there is very probably something occurring which we do not yet understand. But simply because the hypothesis is attractive is not sufficient for us to believe it. And when our experiments fail we must assume that the hypothesis is likely false not matter how attractive the hypothesis was, and no matter our inability to otherwise explain our observations.
Put another way - a thing is not true just because we haven't figured out a good alternative yet. Lightning was not arriving on earth directly from the hand of Thor before we discovered electricity, even though it didn't seem, at the time, like there was a better explanation available.
Scurvy, pellagra, and beriberi were all once considered infectious.
Those are excellent points. What happened in the Islands fits the contagious disease theory when you read through the document, but that doesn’t mean it is. Nutrition and other factors were no doubt more important, but it’s hard to think of what else explains A) the “spreading” through the islands B) the 10-day delay of disease manifestation C) the 95 older people who did have measles before apparently were immune
Maybe - but I don't find the account above desperately convincing. I don't mean that it is insincere or that it is worthless - but it was clearly an observational "study", and we very well know that all people have a strong tendency to see and find what they want to see and find.
The reason we run controlled experiments is precisely because such observational studies have amounted to nonsense time and again.
For example this doctor - at least in the passage you quote - documented in detail merely a single instance of 14 day spread - and that may very well have been pure coinicidence. It would be very easy - during an outbreak - to find some sort of exposure 14 days prior for most patients and attribute that as the cause of their disease. And for those patients for whom no such cause could immediately be established - just assume that they had been exposed but were unaware.
And as for immunity - I don't see why that needs to be specific to viruses. Why should it be any more or less possible for the body to develop immunity to toxins, or even deficiencies, than to a virus?
That is why, to reiterate my original point, we need to perform controlled experiments. And when we do, and we cannot find a virus, or reproduce contagious spread, we must conclude that our hypothesis was wrong.
For ex families all get sick around the same time, looks contagious, but all suffer from lack of vitamin c and d around the same time or perhaps the parents are under financial or emotional stress etc and the kids pick up on it and purge at the same time
I don’t believe in contagious viruses, I am with Stefan Lanka - they have nothing under their microscopes
I don’t think we understand it
Roman is right however, good food, good water, exercise, nature and spirituality decrease chances of sickness.
I consider all my childhood illnesses (mumps, chicken pox, measles, German measles, etc.) to have been a protective guarantee for my excellent health today.
For those that want to read through the original paper...
https://archive.org/details/observationsmade00panuuoft/page/n57/mode/2up
What was brought onto the island on the same ship the doctor arrived on? Perhaps a perishable food that contained a toxin that was widely distributed & quicky consumed?
The symptoms of measles are identical to more than 10 other medical conditions. Without a specific test for measles in 1846, and without ruling out other possible causes of a one & done outbreak of a fever & rash, it cannot even be confirmed that it was actually a measles epidemic.
Amish communities are akin to islands. They do not vaccinate, and have no cases of SIDS, SADS, autism, palsy or other vaccine induced illnesses & injuries. An epidemiological study of childhood illnesses amongst the Amish would reveal a lot.
Governments pushed Covid vaccines on entire populations to eliminate control groups of unvaxed, and failed. The unvaxed are not dying suddenly, not getting turbo cancer, not experiencing clotting and related ischemia/reperfusion injuries. There are pediatricians who refused to vaccinate thousands of their patients and those children are much healthier than vaccinated children who experienced all childhood illnesses including measles. Deaths from measles were down 95% right before the measles vaccine was developed & widely distributed. Why? The general health of children had improved due to improved nutrition, modern sanitation, and food preservation including refrigeration. Thus, measles itself is not a dangerous, deadly childhood illness but the goo in measles vaccines that includes foreign DNA, proteins & toxic adjuvants such as mercury & aluminum and squalene, is unnecessary, and more harmful & dangerous than measles.
There is "specific" test for "measles".
https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/themeaslesmyth:0
Contagion implies transmission of a disease from one person to another. It can be confused with mass exposure to a pathogenic agent such as pesticide spraying, radiation or electromagnetic frequencies (EMF). The fact that no scientific study has ever been able to transmit a disease from a sick person to a healthy person, no matter how much they are swabbed or sprayed with that person's bodily fluids, suggests that contagion does not involve the traditional concept of "germs". However, it does not exclude the possibility of some type of EMF emission by individuals, as experienced by those who developed "shedding phenomenon" in the company of people who had recently received the Covid-19 vaccine. The EMF in question is thought to be due to the graphene oxide (GO) content of the active "vaccine". GO is a superconductor of EMF energy. Many of us have read about this EMF being so strong that even deceased persons below the ground can emit it powerfully enough to trigger nearby persons' mobile phones.
I no longer believe in the existence of viruses, but an incident in my home needs explanation. I adopted a previously healthy cat and her two four-week-old kittens. After a week the mother cat developed flu, and within a few days one of the kittens also had it. The other kitten remained healthy.
I also had another, older cat (Caspar), who had never suffered from any illness. I kept him separate from the new cats, but one day he came into the kitchen within a few feet of the mother cat, just for a few minutes.
Within a few days, Caspar also got the flu.
Needless to say, some kind of contagion was going on. I don't know what it was, but I do know that I was kept very busy nursing three sick animals!
People tend to believe in only one theory or another, but the truth is often a combination of things. Germ theory, terrain theory and the poison theory do not exclude one another. They are complementary.
The human body is like an ecosystem. It has living human cells and a microbiome with gut bacteria and other micro organism that can be found throughout the body. A biological ecosystem has many species living together, competing or in symbiosis. A healthy ecosystem, body or 'terrain' like for example a pristine tropical rain forest is in balance and resistant to pests. It prevents one species to grow out of control. But this balance can be compromised by external factors like
- Toxins that kill or maim important species the ecosystem/terrain/body depends on, or damage important structures.
- A change in resources the terrain needs to stay healthy. (in case of our body, bad food)
- Exotic invasive species that the terrain has never seen before and has no defense against. Like the measles or man-made covid-19. Only when the new exotic species can thrive in its new terrain, then there may be a dis-ease, a disequilibrium for a while. But once the terrain has adapted and found its new equilibrium, the disease does not return. Unless of course, evil scientists create and spread a new nasty variant that is sufficiently foreign and the process repeats.
Well said. Add in destructive and deadly medical interventions and then you have a real mess.
Measles isn’t a well defined clinical entity separate to all other types of rash. It is possible that the residents were all detoxifying from something that certain elderly persons had previously been exposed to and thus their bodies knew how to deal with the toxin before it reached a critical point where rash and fever were required to purge the toxin from the body. Just because contagion hasn’t been scientifically proven doesn’t mean that the body doesn’t learn from previous exposures to toxins. It is also possible that this historical account was written with a bias favouring the myth of contagion and what actually happened differs from the account provided.
Of course it's not well-defined, since it does not exist as a "clinical entity". There is no "entity" causing "measles".
https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/themeaslesmyth:0
Measles does not exist, just have a look at the last person in virology doing a properly controlled experiment: John Enders in 1954, see https://sci-hub.wf/10.2105/ajph.47.3.275.
Dr. COWAN one said the diseases like measles and chickenpox is nature's way of shedding the skin, like that of a snake.
I am uncertain what in nature triggers that. Some cosmic event?
The case of the Faroe Islands seems more complex. I wonder if Dr. Cowan has an answer.
Measels is linked to a deficiency of Vitamin A found in fish
Faroe is famous for it salmon.
Maybe the fishing industry was having problems.
Fish also has D.
Fishing has been the main source of income for the Faroe Islands since the late 19th century, but dependence on fishing makes the economy vulnerable to price fluctuations
A population seemingly given to frequent skin irritations (salt exposure?) and lung inflammations coinciding with extended severe heat from which the author stated they nearly expired. Chronic health issues being the apparent norm, it's difficult to draw conclusions.
When I worked as admin in a hospital, in my 50's, I'd reason to go see the nurse for bloods, just general stuff. Even though I'd had measles as a kid, she said I'd no immunity and then stuck a needle (MMR?) in me. At that time and until recent times, I had no reason not to trust in public health policies. Now, from what I've read since, no antibodies show up with job titles, "Against Measles, "Against Polio" etc. They all turn up against aluminium, mercury, formaldehyde, etc. One of 3 children, 5 yrs age difference, we didn't all have same illnesses at the same time.
There are no specific antibodies for any "disease".
https://odysee.com/@SixthSense-Truth-Search-Labs:0/Is-there-such-a-thing-as-auto-immune-disease---let's-look-at:7
Hi, I didn't know anything back then and seems medics don't know much either.
Based on my experience as a child getting measles myself around 1960 and experiencing the fact that my 3 siblings got it around the same time, and that most of the kids we went to church and school with also got it around the same time (and recovered without incident just like we did, with mom's care), and then two years later another outbreak happened at our school but we didn't have to worry, I am firmly of the evidence-based opinion that measles is contagious and recovery confers lifetime immunity. I just wish I had never gotten my own children vaccinated and I wish I had never gotten boosters and flu shots. Too soon old, too late smart.
Viruses such as measles don't exist, and contagion is a myth. You're right to say it's your opinion, cause that's all it is: an opinion. There has never been proof for any contagious pathogen.
https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/themeaslesmyth:0
It seems to me that all of the purging “diseases” that we go through as children are meant to help the body kill off unwanted cells by the fevers naturally involved. I know I didn’t say that right but you know what I mean. We grow so fast during those years and it would make sense that there would be increased numbers of damaged or defective cells, which would make extra fevers advantageous.
And I do believe that the more fevers you had as a child-productive, natural fevers; not those induced by chemical poisons (vx)-the lower your chance of adult cancer.
That didn’t answer your question. I believe that our bodies send messages. We give off exosomes maybe, something, that comunícate with other bodies. Is that contagion? Possibly. Whether it’s sharing of messages through exhalation of exosomes or through the microbiome in the gut/skin system or whatever, I think that could act like what the germ people consider contagion
It sounds like simultaneous exposure to a poison. Perhaps mass smallpox vaccination?
If you read... A) It seems to spread over the area with a 10-day delay in "exposure." B) It seems that those who had previously had measles decades earlier did not get the disease.
I'm not saying what this was, but it's definitely an interesting case that I think isn't easy to solve.
I believe it is also the case that the incidence of measles declined significantly contemporaneously with the vaccine rollout (I know that the fatality reate of measles was already minimal - but that is a different thing than the incidence). That is also a datapoint for which the possible existence of a contagious disease vector remains a tempting explanation.
However a great many experiments which should have succeeded if contagious disease vectors were a good explanation for measles and other "viral" diseases did not succeed.
I think the correct way of thinking about this is that
(a) contagious disease vectors is a valid hypothesis in the first place precisely because it does seem to explain the known facts well.
(b) it is also important to bear in mind that scurvy and (I think?) pellagra were also considered contagious diseases at one time because that appeared to offer a good explanation for the behavior of those diseases too.
(c) following the postulation of a hypothesis, we perform experiments to confirm or falsify the hypothesis
(d) In the case of viruses in general, and measles in particular, actual experiments so far have not confirmed the hypothesis.
Therefore there is very probably something occurring which we do not yet understand. But simply because the hypothesis is attractive is not sufficient for us to believe it. And when our experiments fail we must assume that the hypothesis is likely false not matter how attractive the hypothesis was, and no matter our inability to otherwise explain our observations.
Put another way - a thing is not true just because we haven't figured out a good alternative yet. Lightning was not arriving on earth directly from the hand of Thor before we discovered electricity, even though it didn't seem, at the time, like there was a better explanation available.
Scurvy, pellagra, and beriberi were all once considered infectious.
Those are excellent points. What happened in the Islands fits the contagious disease theory when you read through the document, but that doesn’t mean it is. Nutrition and other factors were no doubt more important, but it’s hard to think of what else explains A) the “spreading” through the islands B) the 10-day delay of disease manifestation C) the 95 older people who did have measles before apparently were immune
Maybe - but I don't find the account above desperately convincing. I don't mean that it is insincere or that it is worthless - but it was clearly an observational "study", and we very well know that all people have a strong tendency to see and find what they want to see and find.
The reason we run controlled experiments is precisely because such observational studies have amounted to nonsense time and again.
For example this doctor - at least in the passage you quote - documented in detail merely a single instance of 14 day spread - and that may very well have been pure coinicidence. It would be very easy - during an outbreak - to find some sort of exposure 14 days prior for most patients and attribute that as the cause of their disease. And for those patients for whom no such cause could immediately be established - just assume that they had been exposed but were unaware.
And as for immunity - I don't see why that needs to be specific to viruses. Why should it be any more or less possible for the body to develop immunity to toxins, or even deficiencies, than to a virus?
That is why, to reiterate my original point, we need to perform controlled experiments. And when we do, and we cannot find a virus, or reproduce contagious spread, we must conclude that our hypothesis was wrong.
That is a very good comment. Thanks!
You are most welcome :-)
Bio-resonance
For ex families all get sick around the same time, looks contagious, but all suffer from lack of vitamin c and d around the same time or perhaps the parents are under financial or emotional stress etc and the kids pick up on it and purge at the same time
I don’t believe in contagious viruses, I am with Stefan Lanka - they have nothing under their microscopes
I don’t think we understand it
Roman is right however, good food, good water, exercise, nature and spirituality decrease chances of sickness.
Stay away from modern Medicine if you can
Most interesting, thank you.